C'MON YOU ROVERS !!!

Jason Roberts on for Rovers!
Now Chelsea are well and truly fucked!

Wolves 2-1 Man City (Edwards)

Anyone watching Arsenal v West Ham?
Arsenal look brilliant without scoring.

Oh YEAH!

Everton 1-0 Stoke (Yakubu)

Looks like West Ham have worked a bit on basic defending since last week, they look a lot more solid.

They better fecking score or its gonna cost me money

Blackburn 1-2 Chelsea (Ivanovic)

Arsenal 1-0 West Ham (Song)

Garth Crooks gave the ultimate kiss of death on the BBC, he said "I hope they hold on", and Song scores straight after he said that

C'MON ROVERS!!

c'mon rovers

TABLE BEFORE MAN UTD v SPURS

Pld : GD : Pts

1. Chelsea ................ 10 : +24 : 25
2. Arsenal ................ 10 : +12 : 22
3. Man Utd ................ 9 : +8 : 17
4. Man City ................ 10 : +3 : 17
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5. Tottenham ................ 9 : +3 : 15
6. West Brom ............... 9 : +2 : 15
7. Everton ................ 10 : +2 : 13
8. Fulham ................ 10 : +1 : 12
9. Sunderland ................ 9 : +1 : 12
10. Bolton ................ 9 : = : 12
11. Newcastle ................ 9 : +1 : 11
12. Aston Villa ................. 9 : -4 : 11
13. Birmingham ................ 9 : -2 : 10
14. Stoke ................ 10 : -4 : 10
15. Blackpool ................ 9 : -7 : 10
16. Wigan ................ 10 : -11 : 10
17. Blackburn ................ 10 : -3 : 9
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18. Liverpool ................ 9 : -5 : 9
19. Wolves ................ 10 : -6 : 9
20. West Ham ................ 10 : -11 : 6

Thank you Alex Song!

Anyone watching Man utd/Spurs at the moment

I've just seen one of the most bizarre goals I can ever remember. Gomes rolls the ball out after collecting it but the ref (Mark Clattenburg) does not realise what is going on, Nani (who was lying on the ground behind Gomes after a failed penalty appeal) takes advantage, runs in behind the goalie, stands in front of the ball, now the ref looks like he's asking "what are you wating for" and Nani just pokes it into an empty net, cue uncontrollable rage from the entire Spuds team.

The linesman disallowwed it but the ref overruled him and I counted at least 2 Tottenham players being booked for their protests

Sounds like Harry will be having a whinge on MOTD tonight.

If the linesman saw the handball then it shouldn't have been allowed but that might not be why he wanted to disallow it. Any other reason and the ref was probably right to overrule him. Gomes is as much to blame as anyone, though, as there was no whistle and he just assumed he was getting a free kick. He even saw Nani close him down and he just stood back and let him kick it in to the goal whilst the ref said "play on".

You could see the ref when Nani went and stood in front of the ball, he had his shoulders shrugged and well just basically telling him, "its still in play, what are you waiting for". You're right though, Gomes has to take some (if not the majority of) the blame for not noticing that Nani was just there behind him.

Now Fergie said that the linesman did not flag until the goal had been scored, I dont know if that is accurate yet as i've not seen a camera angle which shows the lino's actions. It all depends really on when the lino flagged and why that could have been in the first place.

Only saw that for the 1st time on MOTD2 tonight.

Have to say its yet another refereeing clanger for me no matter what spin the referee and the referees association will put on it in order to try wangle him out of it.

To make matter even worse the fact he sent all the Spurs players away and then let Rio Twatinand join in the conversation with his linesman was an absolute disgrace.

Only at Old Trafford eh......

All I will say is there is a reply for every Man U excuse.

Play to the whistle? Ok fair play, if the ref gave advantage (i don't know if that's even a law when it's deliberate hand ball, maybe so), he's acknowledged a deliberate hand ball. Yet no yellow card for Nani?

How do you know he acknowledged the handball. It was the linesman who cocked up (twice, firstly by not giving the penalty)

What, so a deliberate hand-ball is an automatic yellow card?

How can you not notice someone practically picking up a ball? Not to mention if it's no penalty, it's a dive. Should be 2 yellows let alone 1.

Either way, the linesman saw it, he was ignored. You think under any circumstances an away team is going to get that goal at OT? Be honest.

That's what I was always lead to believe. A dive and a deliberate handball to keep the ball in play, neither warrant anything?

Don't you think your keeper was at fault at all, given that no free kick was awarded?

We wuz wobbed!!

No, and the reason is because the referee chose to overrule the linesman. It's not supposed to work that way. The person who sees the incident can do the overruling, not the other way around.

What did the ref have to go on? Simply the words in his head "I am at Old Trafford".

I don't really get what you're on about and you're deflecting attention from the real mistake here. There was no whistle. The ref quite clearly didn't give a free kick but Gomes just assumed he would get one and threw the ball down on the deck, then just stood off as the ref waved play on and Nani rolled the ball into the net. You can criticise the officials for not giving the free kick but the keeper was a twat for what he did and it's cost Spurs a goal. I think if you're not apportioning at least some blame to the keeper then you're not looking at the incident neutrally.

You're such a moron.

Question: does a deliberate hand-ball automatically merit a yellow card?

..yet there was no indirect free-kick given.

@ Lee, what I'm referring to is the fact the linesman saw it. Linesman or not, he is an official, and he made it clear that he saw the hand ball, therefore because he is the only one who actually saw it, the referee cannot overrule him for any other reason than bias surely? And yes Gomes was a twat for doing that, but come on, Nani practically played throw and catch with himself.

Pains me to stay it but im well and truely with the Spuds on this one and thats as neutral an opinion as you can get as I fucking hate both clubs

Also pains me to say that I agree with Redknapp. The story the ref has come up with is plausible but as ever you get the impression its one that has been concocted after the event to cover up their mistake and bring them out in the best light possible.

I just dont buy it. Yes it was within the rules for him to say play on and give Spurs the advantage but as soon as Gomez puts the ball down and starts asking the referee what the fuck is going on any advantage he was giving has gone and the best thing to do would have been to stop the game and award the free kick for the handball or if he didnt see that then the dive by Nani.

Worst case scenrio and he didnt see the dive or the handball then the linesman surely did and after consulting with him he could still have used that information and taken the game back for a rightful free kick.

At the end of the day whatever happened that scenario should have finished with a Spurs free kick. The fact it was at Old Trafford probably didnt help and certainly the fact he let Rio Ferdinand have his say probably also did Spurs no favours.

Its a tough job but they really do seem to make a rod for their own backs from where im sitting.

Also agree with Harry's threat to not talk to the media if he is punished for his comments - why shouldnt managers be allowed to criticise referees within reason if they feel they have made a mistake? If they are asked a question by the media about it why should they have to lie?

The authorities need to stop refereeing being a closed society where they are not allowed to be seen to have ever made a mistake and maybe people may have more respect for them.

Thankfully our Europa League rivals West Brom lost today

Aye but it brought Blackpool back into the European mix just behind us

The three newly promoted teams launching an onslaught on the European places, I like it!

How did anyone not notice Maradona punch a ball into the net? Or Henry's basketball assist?

The referee quite obviously didn't see it. There is no question that the linesman did. Therefore the linesman fucked up. What's so hard to understand about that?

But the handball was seen by at least one of the 2 surely as the referees excuse is that he played an advantage rather than giving the free kick??

He certainly didn't seem to indicate advantage after the handball. I would be sketchy over whether he intended to play advantage.

If so, any advantage gomes would have gotten was gone by the time Nani scored, that's for sure.

Well thats the line coming out from the referees. I dont really buy it either, thats the whole issue here for me. They dont have to come out and justify things, they simply go back to their referees room and put together some bullshit story to cover their mistake and nobody is allowed to question it.

Your 2nd point is spot on. If he had given advantage, as soon as the referee realised that Gomez wasnt sure which he clearly must have as you could see him asking the ref then he should have stopped the game and taken it back to the a free kick as any advantage he had was gone.

I struggle to see how anyone can defend the officials on this one, was a total joke of a decision.

The linesman told the referee there was a handball, so the ref definitely knew, if he played an advantage he was wrong because no advantage was gained so the ball should have been brought back for a freekick.

Gala has tickets too!

haha just realised wrong thread

Last word on that Man Utd goal. If Gomes had just fucking kicked the ball or thrown it to one of his players instead of being a twat there would be absolutely no need for any of this discussion. He is at fault more than anyone else in that debacle. The only thing I will criticise the officals for is not pulling it back when there was no advantage although I have no problem with the decision to play advantage as blowing the whistle would have slowed down Spurs' counter attack. But, like I say, why did Gomes not play to the whistle? It's really his fault.

Yes there was. Gomes had the ball and he could have played it out quickly to one of his team-mates.

Thats the old rule we all know mate, but more and more lads are throwing their hands up on an offside/free kick & looking to the ref or linesman when no whistle has been blown. A few Spuds i know have said exactly what you have, Gomes fecked up, end of. But that doesn't get through to our little spud reptile.

I felt the rest of your post was reasonable though I didn't really agree with it. But this bit was just stupid.

Yeah, because the ref played advantage you fucking donk.

Why is its stupid, its absolutely true.

Im not saying people should be allowed to just abuse them but they are just far too protected for my liking. Anything like this happens the referees and the authorities just do their best to blame anyone else and come up with some bullshit cover story which they put together after it happens. Nobody in the FA or Refs association ever admits a ref has made a mistake.

These guys are not Pub League refs who give up their Sunday morning for £20 or whatever they are professionals who get paid a hell of a lot of money for what they do yet most perform at Pub League standards.

The worst thing that ever happens to a ref if he fucks up is he has to drop down to ref a Championship game for a week or worse still he gets the fucking week off!!

Its very rare that I agree with Mark Lawrenson but what he said on MOTD2 was spot on - they are not going to get every decision right but people would have much more respect if they came out after a game where there was a controversial decison and said "I gave that decision because..."

Even if TV replays show their decision to be wrong we would at least know their thinking. But they don't, they wait a day or two and like I say appear to come up with a story that involves the least blame for them possible and the FA start handing out disripute charges for anyone who dares say a bad word against them.

He didnt know what was going and you could clearly see him asking the referee. Yeah maybe he should of kicked it but it was that obvious a handball you can see why he expected it to be a free kick. I dont care what the ref says he was hardly giving Spurs a massive advantage by playing on was he?