useless scouse cunt.

agreed

Total cunt. Looks like a spacka, his wife is a money grabbing cunt, his kid is more ugly than genital warts.

I genuinely hate the cunt.

I will take great pleasure in booing the cunt at old trafford in august. Question though him or owen?

Heskey contributed more to the World Cup for England - fact

I think even Owen would of done more, ultimately they are both useless cunts.

You guys do know Rooney wasn't the only England player to majorly underperform this World Cup right?

He wasnt but I half expected it from some of the other useless cunts that shouldnt have been in the squad anyway.

Rooney is the talisman, the main player of the team and has played shit in all 4 games. Hes more than happy to take the plaudits when playing well so will have to take the criticism.

Also at least non of the other under performers had the cheek to blame the fans for the woeful performances.

Not sure why England players can't handle pressure, Before this tournament every tip was for Rooney and Ozil to set the place alight. Ozil makes his mark straight away while Rooney goes home without even a goal to his name.

THe old pressure card is an absolute cop out excuse - these players play in pressure games week in week out for their clubs.

It comes down to ability, attitude and effort all of which we are severely lacking.

Well lets hope every England plater in the squad who appears at St James or any other ground hears the boos and the WHERE WERE YOU IN AFRICA

Could be injury too - Ferguson kept playing Rooney at the end of the season when he clearly wasn't fit. I'm surprised he hasn't got much criticism for that.

Yep Fergie should never have played Rooney in the Bayern game.

Can't really blame Rooney imho.

It's the only world class striker that you have and that's why Cappello aways played him while it was obvious he was out of form.

There was certainly something wrong with him - he never looked like he actually wanted to be there.

Said it around the time he got his injury - he played so much for Man Utd this season, I think he was one of the only players who didn't get rested much. He started whenever fit; Prem, Champs League, FA Cup, League Cup. He was always going to be exhausted by the end of the season. Then when he got the injury and was clearly rushed back and never got his form back because he wasn't fit.

The only way to stop that is to go down tcricket route and have central contracts but because the wages are so high now thats impossible

He wasn't the only useless scouse c*** by any stretch of the imagination. Gerrard and Carragher were equally useless.

There were several useless southern c****, some useless c***** from the midlands and some from the North.

There was also a useless Italian c*** who could not spot that that the useless c**** were playing with all the style, skill, ambition, energy and desire of moribund molluscs, yet refused to change the personnel, formation or tactics.

Why take off Milner when he was one of the few to get decent deliveries into the box? Why introduce Heskey, when he poses little or no goal threat? Why persist with Rooney when he was clearly off form?

Where was Crouch? Why was J Cole introduced so late? Why was SWP introduced with 5 minutes left? Why was Dawson ignored?

Why the f*** do we bother?

Would any of those decisions made a difference to the result?

I don't know. Do you have a mathematical model we could use?

I am a firm believer in changing things when they aren't working.

I'm sure I saw something similar to Capello's tactics on Blackadder Goes Forth

Melchett: Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.
Blackadder: Ah. Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?
Captain Darling: How could you possibly know that, Blackadder? It's classified information!
Blackadder: It's the same plan that we used last time and the seventeen times before that.
Melchett: Exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard! Doing precisely what we've done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time!

No, just that it's a bit pointless whingeing about his decisions after 70 minutes when it was the generally pisspoor performance up to that point that lost us the game.

Hmm could of been but then again if he was carrying an injury then would the management really have been playing him for 90 mins in every warm up friendly we played?? I know some people are knocking some of Capello's decisions but he isnt stupid.

For me I think for once the players just have to hold their hands up and accept the responsibility for this.

No doubt there will be the usual calls for a new manager, a deep look at the youth systems etc etc which may be part of the problem but the simple fact is that squad we have should be good enough to have performed better.

There are just too many excuses for me, it seems to be a bad English trait that everything is always someone elses fucking fault.

For the last 2 weeks I have heard the England squad blaming everything from the ball, the time of day the manager announces his team to the fact that their fully paid for 22 star hotel in South Africa is too boring and doesnt have enough to do etc etc etc

Its all absolute bollocks, as is the old tiredness excuse - pretty much every player at the world cup has just played a long hard domestic season.

The issue for me is plain and simple, the players have got too big for their boots and dont respect the shirt nor the manager and thats not having a go at Fabio as I think it would be the same with anyone in charge.

He has one of the best track records in the game yet when the players have crossed the white line they are clearly not implementing what he is trying to get them to do because they cant be arsed.

Of course he has to take some responsibility and some decisions were not great but for once the players should take some fucking stick - playing for England no longer seems to be an honour but a chore for these overpaid, whinging fucking idiots.

If you dont like the managers tactics, methods or discipline then fuck off and dont play for England, there will be plenty of others who would jump at the chance.

Can't argue with any of that. I mean, are the players shit or do they just not give a shit?

I said on here before the world cup started that they have to stop doing the usual thing of playing being worried about making mistakes. You know, sideways passes instead of dribbling or passing forwards. Passing it instead of shooting and that kind of thing. Well, guess what, they went and did it again. For all the truths about the players you just stated I bet there's a good proportion of that squad trying to lay plenty of blame on the English fans and media, hyping it up and expecting too much, etc., etc. Frankly, and this is just my impression of the build up, I don't think there was much pressure put them at all compared to past world cups. Even if there was, it's not an excuse - it's at least as bad in Argentina for example.

It probably sounds like I'm actually bothered but it only took me 5 mins to get over it. Club (region, to be more precise) before country for me. I find it difficult to associate with the English football team. It won't stop me booing a few of these useless tossers when they come to SJP this season.

Agree that we and the media will no doubt take some of the stick - thats utter rubbish as well. Its the same for any supposed big team, you are expected to do well and for players playing week in week out for top clubs then expectation shouldnt be a problem - just yet another convenient excuse.

I love club football but im also a big fan of the national team but have to say my interest is waining as im sick of the big build up every time and then the big let down. I used to watch every England game without fail, now i dont bother with the friendlies and actually missed a few of the qualifiers doing other things which I would never have done a few years back.

As I said in an earlier thread I think the national team needs a big Toon style clearout and change of attitude.

Tiredness is not an excuse, three of the English players had played the same number of games as their German counterparts, all the others had played less.

The real bottom line is that our players are not as good as they believe. They are made to look better by the foreign players in the PL in many cases on whose coat tails they have won championships (or not). Young English players do not get games because of the proliferation of average overseas players. I have no objection to Fabregas, or Drogba or Torres or Alonso helping but there are too many like Pancrate and Marcellino et al.

The 6 and 5 rule should come into force as soon as possible. We must develop acadamies at club and national level and bring people into the FA who know about football.

The England team should comprise of young players who should be blooded in time for 2014. Forget the European Championship in 2012, we need to keep a squad together of young players leasrning their craft, gaining experience and tactical nous. They should not be dropped if we lose a few games or they play badly individual games. That way by 2014 we might have a reasonable team.

Perhaps we should find a way of creating the sort of central contracts that exist in cricket, although I acknowledge that would be very difficult to achieve.

Oh, and don't forget that Rooney gets his most of goals against defences like the one that let in four against Germany.

I don't think the German defence is (normally) much better than ours, Ozy. Their keeper struggles with high balls, and they let in two goals in a minute on Sunday - Upson's goal was a poor goal to concede defensively and Lampard's goal found them out as well.

An England managers job is not to create a tactic, or force their will onto the English player. Their job is to understand the English game and play to the strengths of the players. It was like playing a football game - Team Select -> England. Tactics -> AC Milan 90's.

Joachim Loew plays in a way that 90% of that team are familiar with. He picks players who can play in the positions that best suit the formation, just like the Dutch, the Brazilians, and so on, do. Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea all play a fairly similar, fluid style of football, usually with one up front and players going in support. We do not play a long ball in England, we do not play a rigid 4-4-2. We do not pick players out of position on a consistent basis - we pick the best specialist in that area. We went to a World Cup with no such plan at all and the blame, for me, lies solely at the feet of the manager.

Too many English managers have gotten it wrong, and it's inevitably led to one of the best players of a generation, Steven Gerrard, having to play some cock-arse role for his country, when he should have been the modern day Bobby Charlton. Both SBR and Venables that played an English way, based on how teams were playing at the time - it wasn't unfamiliar when the players turned up.

Well Rooney looked pretty knackered to me. Normally his work ethic can't be faulted. He clearly played some games for Man U when he was far from fit.

Ashley Cole was one of our better performers - he had a few weeks off with injury but, crucially, he did get a few games in at the end of the season. Barry was rushed back too soon, but there weren't to many other options.

There really aren't any excuses for Lampard, Gerrard, Terry, Johnson, Lennon and Defoe

Most of the others - Heskey, SWP, Upson, simply aren't good enough and shouldn't have been picked

Well maybe he just couldnt be fucking arsed then??

It wasn't his work-rate that bothered me, his touch was awful - how many times did he trap the ball about 5 yards? He looked knackered, I don't think he was indifferent.

"ARE YOU JOE KINNEAR IN DISGUISE!?"

Well said.

Cunts the lot of them

Can't believe he booked his holiday to the Carribean 2 days before we got knocked out.

pretty sure his holidays started about 12th June

Shrek The Final Chapter was fairly crap too.

Fucking boils my pish that the ugly fucking Shrek Cunt gets his own fucking thread.



Scouse/Manc granny shagging cunt.