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Johnthebrief
QUOTE(Some like it Hottiger @ Aug 10 2010, 06:38 PM) *


We've had this debate before, but "left-wing" and "fascist" are mutually contradictory terms.


No they aren't

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Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>

Some like it Hottiger
QUOTE(John the Brief @ Aug 10 2010, 06:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Some like it Hottiger @ Aug 10 2010, 06:38 PM) *


We've had this debate before, but "left-wing" and "fascist" are mutually contradictory terms.


No they aren't

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Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>


Not sure what dictionary you got that from, but neither of those definitions adequately describe fascism as distinct from other, markedly different philosophies or forms of government.

For example, either of them could describe ancient Rome, as far as I can see.

Fascism is a specific historical phenomenon that began with Mussolini (but whose roots obviously existed long before then). Even if we want to extend that definition to include, say, Napoleon Bonaparte III, then some analysis of social and historical context, social basis for the regime etc. needs to be taken into account. That's why, for example, Kim il Sung would never (correctly) be described as a fascist even though the Workers Party of Korea regime certainly put (their concept of) the Korean nation above individuals, had/have a dictatorial leader etc.
Some like it Hottiger
QUOTE(Some like it Hottiger @ Aug 10 2010, 06:41 PM) *

QUOTE(John the Brief @ Aug 10 2010, 06:27 PM) *

True Faith's comment on the O'Neill business

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Schadenfreude has a habit of biting you on the backside but I don’t think that anyone present at Villa Park that fateful day in May 2009 won’t be absolutely laughing their proverbial cocks off at the goings on in Britain’s second (in terms of size, somewhere just outside the top 40 in terms of desirability) city in the past couple of days. O’Neill has had enough of keeping a straight face whilst extracting £30m for the likes of Milner and Barry and has done away just days before the start of the season. I enjoyed a wry smile as Britain’s most fickle support (season ticket sales down 40% already this season even ahead of this comedy aberration) fought back the tears on the radio predicting a rapid descent with Bob ‘The Builder’ Bradley being lined up as a replacement. Sob on the Tyne? I nearly cried laughing. Brilliant start to the new season.
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I do find that funny, but playing devil's advocate I'm not sure season ticket sales are really a fair judge of the fickleness (or otherwise) of Villa's support, which always seemed to me to be disinterested rather than fickle.
As I thought, Villa's fans aren't very fickle.

Average attendances, season-by-season.
Johnthebrief
Nah

( whisper it quietly )

I quite like Villa fans as a rule
Some like it Hottiger
QUOTE(John the Brief @ Aug 10 2010, 09:04 PM) *

Nah

( whisper it quietly )

I quite like Villa fans as a rule
I know one or two, can't say much about them really. Like I say, I find them to be generally indifferent rather than fickle. They don't seem to get very worked up about anything.
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