According to SSN!

Team Carroll \o/

I guess he's not signing a new contract so club want to get something for him before he fucks off on a free.

I'm not overly suprised - I think Colo and Williamson are forming a pretty good partnership whch may have left Taylor out when he does get back from injury, plus if he isn't signing a new contract then maybe we were left with no choice.

I've been hearing rumours over last couple of seasons of how much of a bad influence he is in the squad so could benefit the team by being sold off.

Lets just hope that any money we get for him goes back into building the squad

I wouldn't really say they were building up that good a defensive partnership, infact against both Man Utd and Rangers, the pair looked like they didn't know each other. Fair enough they looked good as individuals against Villa.

I can see Taylor being behind Campbell in the pecking order though, which might well make him 4th choice, which i'm sure he wouldn't settle for.

Greedy bastard! The way Williamson has performed in the last 2 games then I wouldn't even have Taylor as first choice at the minute if he were fit. He's a decent defender although never going to be top class but hope the money is worth it to go and sit on Asrenal or Chelsea's bench week in week out. No doubt we will only get a small fee for him now he only has a year left.

Not really surprised tbh. Williamson has done fantastically in his place so I'm not too worried.

I thought that Williamson looked nervous against Man Utd and Colo still has his individual flaws but has progressed well. The more they play together the better an understanding they will get.

SSN saying club have offered 4 year deal on 40k pw, he wants over 60k pw.

Greedy fucker! He was a greedy feck last time a contract was negotiated. I would prefer to keep him and a 4 year deal on 40k a week is top notch for him and us in my opinion

Absolutely!! But you will get the usual knob heads on sky sports spouting off that he is a Geordie and their devasated he's leaving......he's not, he's from London!

I might some money on there will be more than 10 idiots who say this on SSN!!

If he really was offered that much it goes to show how greedy he is and how big an ego he must have if he thinks he is worth more than that, no doubt that tosser of a dad of his has told him if Colocinni gets £80k then he can't settle for half of that.

He's not worth over £3M a year - greedy git

I can't imagine that there are that many clubs who can afford to pay those sorts of wages but where a player of his ability would be in the starting line-up

Bad news for me and the fact that this has happened so late in the summer will probably mean he will be shipped out on the cheap and some other team will get a young top class defender for a bargain price.

Its all very well people saying that Colo and Williamson have done well etc, i like both of them as players, but as a club we know more than most that its highly unlikely you can just use the same 11 players week in week out all season. If either of those 2 get injured / suspended then that leaves us with a young inexperienced lad who seems to pick up quite a few injuries in Kadar and an ageing player in Campbell who until he plays some games still has quite a few question marks over him.

Of course if Taylor is asking for ridiculous wages then I dont want to see the club held to ransom but at the same time he has been a 1st team player here for a while so you can understand him maybe wanting to be one of the top earners if you consider what the likes of Colo, Barton, Smith etc are on.

The problem is that if the club agree to £60K a week for him, Carroll will be wanting an increase in his £25K a week salary and no doubt there will be a queue behind him.

Injury-prone, greedy and still really only potentially a good player. We've had problems with this guy for some time, with his father seemingly just not keen for him to stay with us, plus he's never really put in a significant shift and has to have been at least half responsible for the Carroll incident - and I know who I'd rather keep.

I'm going to look at it positively - I'll assume (I know, I know) that we have another option on the radar, but also believe that the two doing the job there at the moment are marginally better players, Kadar has more potential that Taylor and Sol, when 100%, is 1st choice. It's a big ask, though, because we need at least 2 before the window closes as is - this makes it imperative we pick up a 3rd.

A wage cap is a wage cap, and I don't think anyone in the entire squad can argue they're worth more - a significant number of them helped take the club down, Taylor included, and he had less to do with our return than most.

Very true ET but it highlights a problem we have whereby we have said we are going to stop paying silly wages but we still have people on them so you can kind of half understand in the grand scheme of things why players coming in or current players re-signing contracts may be reluctant to agreeing to get paid substantially less than these guys are already on.

Of course you or I would jump at £40k a week but the fact is footballers get these daft wages and you can half understand someone wanting to get paid parity with players that you would say are the same status in the squad.

Hopefully a solution can be found because although a lot of people dont seem to like Taylor I think hes a top player that we would struggle to replace like for like in terms of ability and commitment on the pitch.

We'll be seeing things like this happen more and more over the next few years. Players won't want to half their wages so will let their contracts run out or go on the cheap. Next year Smith, Barton and Enrique's (as well as some youngsters) contracts expire next year - they're not going to want to cut their wages of 60/70/80k to 40k.

And is simply why we will never be a decent club. It is the way football is. It won't do us any harm getting the likes of Smith and Nolan off our wage bill but we will never have any sort of stability as players who do well will simply leave for better money.

Having this stupid wage cap just cripples us when competing with other teams.

So be it. Other teams need to cop on tbh.

Aye its a tough one. You can see it from both the club and the players points of view really. If they are not willing to accept a pay cut which is likely then I suppose the only thing the club may be able to do is tempt them with a longer contract and maybe some add-ons based on the teams performances etc.

Not so worried about Smith or Barton to an extent but certainly wouldnt want to see Jose leaving for nowt.

Its about a balance I suppose. Fact is we are not Man City Whitley as much as I know you wish we were

I suppose the thinking is that £40k is a decent wage to attract good players but it will also hopefully attract players with the right attitude in that they want to play for the club and are not necessarlily just going to the highest bidder in terms of wages.

Im happy to see the club being more sensible but it is going to restrict us in keeping / signing new players unfortunately.

I suppose ultimately the long term aim would be to get the team playing well enough and finishing high enough that that wage ceiling could be increased in the future if turnover / profit is increasing.

Certainly agree Nav that this is needed but in terms of Taylor I really hope they can find a compromise.

So where do we think he'll go?

Spurs might be an option if Woodgate has to retire.

Your right, i do. We are currently just another club making up the 85 or so league clubs that are only there to make a league for the big 6 or 7 to play in. I'd rather be spending some rich arabs money and actually competing, playing in European competition, than just being also rans, which is what we are now.

It might be a sad view to have but i'd rather go away from the majority of games happy than dissapointed. Thats just the way football has gone though, we need to just eat it up and get involved.

He will end up at Liverpool or Everton i think and we will get about £2.5m for him.

Club Statement

Newcastle United have today placed defender Steven Taylor on the transfer list.

The Club will be making no further comment at this time.





http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20100825/cl...2240137_2134344

I think I would actually cry if he goes to the bin dippers

Nobody (outside the club) knows what he's been offered (or what he thinks he's worth).

No doubt they probably do as his associates can't normally shut their gobs.

He (or his representatives) can come out with all sorts of bullshit about his "Geordie-ness" in an attempt to win over the fans and turn them on the board again but we're not stupid, if Taylor really is demanding a huge hike on what we were prepared to offer (£40k in itself is still over the odds for a player like Taylor in my view) then good riddance, why break this new wage structure to keep on board an injury prone player that is also reportedly disruptive?

People seem to be quite selective when it comes to apparent disruptive players. Taylor is apparently disruptive so we dont want him but everyone was keen to welcome Ben Arfa with open arms when from the sounds of things he can be pretty disruptive to say the least.

Taylor comes across as quite cocky and arrogant more than anything else but im pretty sure he isnt the only one in the squad and we are knackered if our transfer policy is going to exclude these kind of footballers.

Taylor seems to get quite a lot of bad press with little to back it up for me, not quite sure why a lot of fans dont seem to like him??

Taylor has to appreciate the club has changed massively since his last contract was agreed, some very valid points have been made about his contribution to our relegation and lack on input into our promotion, his arrogance and alleged disruptive manner have not endeared him to me at all.

We should have got in between £5-8 million for him, I hope we get more than the £2.5 mentioned although I fear this may be the case.

Please do elaborate on those points as im intrigued?

As for his disruptive manner I think glassing someone in a nightclub and breaking a team mates jaw is pretty disruptive to a team but im guessing there wont be too many people wanting us to ditch Carroll especially after he scored a hatrick the other day.

The word fickle springs to mind.

We're not saying we dont like him as a player, IMHO on his day, he is a decent CB with a good workrate. At the moment though based on what i've seen of Mike Williamson so far, I would have him ahead of Taylor in the pecking order

But (if what was reported is true) he is asking for an obscene amount of money that we know he is not worth. Yes we can mention that Coloccini is on a lot more money and that he's not worth £80k p/w but times have changed dramatically since he was signed, and Taylor needs to understand that.

I said the opposite. I like Saylor but he's not my first choice CB anymore. Williamson is much better IMHO. He reads the game better, gets forward better and is less likely to be a liability. I'm not surprised he's been listed as I can't really see him being happy warming the bench and now that Sol's been brought in, do we really need him to?

If we stay up though then I would imagine that we would have a bit more to play with in terms of player budgets and maybe we can get players to agree to new deals on the same wages (otherwise known as a contract extension)

Also I agree with those additional perks like maybe goal/clean sheet bonuses and maybe a performance bonus if say we win a trophy or qualify or Europe.

dissapointing, he is probably looking at colo's wage and wanting something similar but the club won't give it to him (quite rightly), he's a class player and it's a shame but hopefully williamson can step up.

Statement from his representatives:

"Figures released to the media do not accurately reflect the position of either Steven or his agent.

"Both (Taylor and the club) remain happy to continue negotiations over a new and extended Newcastle United contract.

"Steven was disappointed and surprised to hear through third parties that the club had decided to transfer list him.

"He has always given 100% to the club and will continue to do so given the opportunity."

And so the Circus continues ....



Never a dull moment though eh?

Next step I guess is Hughton finding out about it tonight through SSN.

That statement is a bit too pointed for my liking

"Disappointed to hear through third parties..."

I can understand he wants to protect his image but personally I'd like him to shut the fuck up

I think he's already been told, Ashley and his board I think will have learned from past mistakes and will have kept CH fully briefed.

It'd be nice to think so, wouldn't it

Paul Stretford

Agents are cunts.

The only mistake they've learned is not to appoint volatile buggers as managers. Hughton may know, he may not, but he's got too much integrity to tell the media if he wasn't kept in the loop.

Agreed

Even if he is a cock and whatever, it seems a really bad decision to put him on the transfer list now. He's injured for another few months, so he's not likely to get signed now and even less likely when he could be got for even cheaper in January.

This will surely just cause unrest amongst the club and brings pointless negativity to club.

maybe the thinking by the board is that it might show that we dont value him as highly as he thinks and when no bids come in he might decide to accept our offer,